Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". The beyonder is a person from another plane of existence called the beyond which is larger than the marvel multiverse. Spite. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. Learn the difference between the original, toned-down, and evolved versions of the Beyonder, a cosmic entity that can create and. The Beyonder was surprised by Mephisto. ) along with the Great Houses of Gallifrey (A. But it wont be easy by no means. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. Pre-Retcon Beyonder has more statements of powers than the new ones. The Beyonders have nothing to do with Pre Retcon Beyonder. Pre Retcon Beyonder is TOAA of a world much much larger than Marvel Multiverse. The Beyonder realm might be a million times bigger than the entire Marvel Multiverse combined but in the end it's still part of the larger multiverse. Regardless. Jan 22, 2017. 5 years ago. This is a spite thread then . The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. As I said I'm not intimately familiar with pre retcon beyonder or even marvel comics overall. The Forger is much stronger than Barbatos. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. " Uhhh, yes it does. #1 Edited By LightningGod67. HeartLesS 25 d . No, that was post-retcon Beyonder. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. However, Post-Retcon is going down, hard. The beyonder can warp reality and time as well as creating a real life setting. 3 years ago. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. 2. Originally posted by. Round 1: CAS vs. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. "No other force or power in existence could. . The entire Watcher. Pre-Retcon Beyonder: Most powerful version of Beyonder, stronger then the Living Tribunal but weaker then T. Beyonder Wallpapers. Wiki Points. The only thing the Beyonder wasn’t able to do was truly understand what it was like to not be the Beyonder. The Beyonder at his full power pre-retcon is omnipotent. Supermanthor. Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal. The beyonder is accordingy to comic book guys a 5th tier cosmic. New comments cannot be posted. As you can see in the marvel hierarchy the one above all is at the very top. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". He may have to resort to starving them out by erasing humanity though. The only other non-Omnipotent characters in Marvel who might even rival a bloodlusted pre-Retcon Beyonder for one are the Infinite Infinites and Divine Creator VIA narrative wanking. Per Hank Pym the events of SW2. . The One Above All. Children can be extremely capricious, and a being as powerful as the Beyonder with that attitude can be very dangerous. synnar the. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being of his Multiverse. 7 K. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. Reinhard or Mercurius could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Kingant27. 13 years agoWasn't Pre-Retcon Beyonder just a child unit of Beyonder race? He was shown that way in Deadpool's Secret Wars. A common misconception about HoTU is that it's omnipotent or a fraction of TOAA's power, multiversal and some stuff of the like, the only indicator for this is that thanos absorbed LT during his fight, in terms of power, HoTU isn't a lot more impressive than the IG for an example. so the Doomslayer stomps. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. BEYONDERS In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. Which then would put the DC team a few steps below the over-void - DC's prime meta. Round 2: All-Mighty vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Gan and Crimson King are basically super-amped versions of P. If PR Beyonder is superior to TOAA then God Emperor. Prime Brock Lesnar, Prime Mike Tyson, A Neanderthal Male,Prime Andre the Giant, A. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but the Maker (one of the. Mxy is done. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but. While Bruce may have had god's full power (and I doubt that he did) he lacks the intelligence to use it, even Mxy does more. The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. O. No, he is likely Presence level. Post retcon would be a closer fight. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. Aug 9, 2016. 1. so the 1st retcon beyonder. 2. The Beyonder was also stated to be "Beyond the Marvel Multiverse/Omniverse" which means that, he was beyond "Infinite-Dimensions" or "Trans-Infinity". According to that one guy Anos could do it,. deactivated-5b3daad020468. @rabumalal: Dream would probably solo LT hes near pre-retcon beyonder level at best read into his feats. Forum Posts. With this skill (plot manipulation), still can affect Pr beyonder. Battle for the title of 2nd strongest Marvel Character. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. Bloodlusted. But Lucifer. Pre Retcon Beyonder. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Note: While the Beyonder's existence is often divided between "pre-retcon" and "post-retcon" in relation to the original Secret Wars, this is not entirely accurate. pre retcon molecule man vs. You see, the thing is that Pre Retcon Beyonder is Secret Wars Beyonder, so it’s not completely incorrect in a away, but all these events are taking after the retcon, if you get what I mean. remember wanda during HOM rewrote/destroyed 98 percent of the multiverse. Well pre-retcon beyonder was able to erase marvels death. But Lucifer should win this quite handily. When The Pre-Retcon Molecule Man(with the Infinite portion of The Beyonder's Powers)fought The Beyonder, they were stated to be "2 of the mightiest being in ALL Existence(or, All-Fiction)". So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. #capcut #short #shorts #shortvideo #edit #versusbattle #beyonder #hajunPre-retcon Beyonder is crazy powerful, powerful enough to stomp the LT, but infinitely weak compared to TOAA. GEB=Anti Pressence. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. Fight takes place in an infinite dimension. The. Featherine is way above than Beyonder. She surpasses him in raw power by far. Jmarshmallow. If he can beat beyonder, he wins 10/10 because he would know the correct path in every timeline, which he exists in, because he is omnipresent. About Pre-retcon/Classic Beyonder. So I might be missing something. Victini could arguably do it if you allow Pokedex entries. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. PR Beyonder was somehow tricked by dr doom and lost his power which is dumb tbh. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. Beyonder made everything happen,every occurrence, positive or negative, was of Beyonder's own making Beyonder can rewriter everything,Even rewriter "Pre-recton Beyonder" into "SW3" HOTU never have. If PR Beyonder is superior to TOAA then God Emperor. Eternity, Death, Infinity, Oblivion. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. So ultimately I don't see beyonder and molecule man taking out this Eldritch incarnation. Elaine Belloc would win under both scenarios, 2nd would be pointless. Lucifer Morningstar in character could probally beat him. #28 ovy7. R3 - Inhuman/Mutant Beyonder faces the 5. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. #6 Edited By DC_Marvel_1000. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Oblivion. OPM can't even defeat Post-retcon Beyonder, let alone Pre-retcon. They live here, and decided to fuck shit up. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. Goku vs Pre Recton Beyonder. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. They both basically live outside of the multiverses that they are part of. #11. Idk its hard to say because the beyonders who destroyed eternity infinity and all the cosmic entities, it took time for them to do that but the Marquis of Death waved his hand and they all died. ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder has no physical form, no spiritual form, and or astral form but can take on these forms when he chooses and Beyonder was once Infinite Dimensional and even still his physical form. The events of. Jack Kirby never wanted the Tribunal to ever be even threatened and the ultimate authority for a long time as long as he was in the company, so LT being beaten was seen as an insult by some comic fans. @kingant27: nah, I actually do not think Michael can beat pre retcon beyonder, and Michael is far more powerful than lucifer who is equal to LT and can only win by manipulation. Thanks!!!!!fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. Fighting place: Dr. I realize that this doesn't exactly answer your question. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. DC_Marvel_1000. 43. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. 4 years ago #3. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. God Emperor Doom has no feats that matter at this level, Pre-retcon Beyonder turns him into a toilet. Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins fairly convincingly. If this is pre retcon then beyonder. 548. Hence why people differentiate the. Spectre is tapped into God so he has an unlimited amount of power at his disposal. 2. lmao Also classic Marvel supporters. 17 Ginriu. Pre-Retcon Beyonder has been stated to be only millions of times more powerful than a multiverse, which means he has a level of dimensionality that's in the millions or is otherwise infinite. After that he was retconned to a far less powerful cosmic cube. loveNwar. Once a lowly lab technician desperate for recognition, Owen Reece miraculously became one of the most powerful beings in existence, the Molecule Man, while fixing an atomic device. LT literally held the entirety of Marvel and DC universe in the palm of. #1 Thanatic. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. Any of the Smash gods could do it, and so would the beings above. VS. Doomslayer can beat 69420 trillion Master Chiefs and has literally indestructible armor he stomps. HOM wanda. A powerful alien supervillain and master of all reality, Beyonder manipulated Loki Laufeyson (not realizing it was in fact Loki who manipulated him) into telling him of Earth's existence. Pre-Retcon Beyonder ruins them casually. Beyonder S T O M P S. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. I like to think I'm pretty knowledgeable about SCP though and I agree that from what little I do know I don't think any marvel characters have that level of narrative breaking. Who wins this? r/whowouldwin •. 1. 13 years. Pre Retcon Beyonder. icecream1991. Ruphas have Higher dimensional manip. Pre Retcon Beyonder wins with ease! He is literally beyond everyone and everything (ofc not TOAA) and a multiversal threat. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. CsmicRanker1314 1. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. His presence alone destroyed infinite universes. Hey guy's! aaj jo mai batane jaa rha hoon #Marvel ke most powerful character jo sirf marvel multiiverse me hi nhi balki dusre companies ke multiverse se bada. Beyonder's best feats consist of warping reality on a Multiversal scale in his fight with MM, and being millions of times stronger than anyone in the marvel multiverse, but that's only impressive up to a certain point before it becomes. 3. The original Beyonder was a failed Cosmic Cube, the second one was a failed Cosmic Power, and the third one was a failed Cosmic Force. From incredibly superficial research, it's the whole "Shadow/Dark Reflection of God" thing that has been knocking around in DC since the old Swamp Thing days. Pre Retcon Beyonder and Molecule Man are at TOAA’s level. With the tumor, Hajun has an Taiyoku level of Infinity . I really can't be asked to go. While thinking the Beyonder accidentally destroys the Omniverse. Tons of awesome Beyonder wallpapers to download for free. A being who is millions of times stronger than the marvel Multiverse vs a. ago. It's more like the One Above All kind of power. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. pre retcon beyonder: can destroy an infinite-d multiverse and exists independently of it. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth’s. K. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. Batman gets as much prep time as he wants. While pre retcon beyonder almost gets argued for a lose against toaa after a hard fought battle! So i think pre retcon beyonder = the presence. Even if that IG (which was a modern variant which has barely any universal feats) was the multiversal one it was during the Infinity Gauntlet saga, it would still not be enough to match pre retcon Beholder. Dr Manhattan has the power to control matter as well as subatomic perception and control. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. 7 years ago. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. g. There is literally nothing that OPM could do to even affect him. Follow 23035. So logically the Beyonder at full power can defeat Galactus at full power. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. Then there is Inhuman/Mutant beyonder who had nothing to do with The beyonders. PR Beyonder tanked a blast that would of shattered billions of dimensions and he was bullying PR MM who repaired the multiverse with a gesture. PR Beyonder is way beyond than Thanos with IG. We can actually prove that Pre-Retcon Beyonder is fodder to Composite-DC. Problem is pre retcon Beyonder is just. He'd have as much chance as an ant against omnipotence. 3. The biggest question is Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs HOTU. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. -Protege copied Beyonder powers. the beyonder is literally the embodiment of a universe which dwarfs the mainstream multiverse, so he can do the same thing for the multiverse, but not all of marvel (since marvel is an omniverse. The closest you get I think is Guenpool and she just has basic fourth wall. Lucifer is a different beast. His presence alone destroyed infinite universes. This is like putting TOAA against an ant. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. @whydama: well beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than all the. Phoenix vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder = probably Beyonder unless we are using the level where Phoenix possessed the power to destroy him. At the time this storyline was written Beyonder Spider-Man would stomp. Seriously at his peak height, Pre Retcon Beyonder was something that no current DC character could handle. How the fuck does a "millions of times stronger than the multiverse" Beyonder become. Rick Sanchez Vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder, The One Above All, The Presence, Azathoth, Doctor Manhattan, The Scarlet King, Sun Wukong, and Homelander Battle Round 1: No prep Round 2: Rick knows about everyone and gets a month of prep. PR Beyonder curbstomps. Thor Vs Justice League : Vs AVENGERS : 12 Cosmic Beings in Marvel :. Word Lords, the Celestis, Faction Paradox, etc. 5 years ago. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. Pre Retcon Beyonder VS Azathoth 179 results 1 2 3 4 #1 Edited By deactivated-5fb6c77c8d900 I see alot of extrenely OP character being pitted against. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. Cubey. Pre-retcon The Beyonder was omnipotent in his Beyondverse, outside the Multiverse, and his powers were similar to those of the Living Tribunal who was a Multiverse level entity but the original beyonder was stated to have been the strongest character in the marvel universe in terms of nigh omnipotence and omniscience. Also, I should mention that they are probably re-retconning him to his previous levels soon. Pre Retcon Beyonder was the original TOAA before today's TOAA was established. This is a simple fight. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was Omnipotent! The comics said so. Pre retcon Beyonder & MM > Lucifer Morningstar > The Endless. 2. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. 0. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. Do a list of spells, after pre retcon beyonder turns around. Round 10: Presence And GEB ( Respect Thread for GEB) Both are. Share Sort by: Best. You need to be logged in to post comments. The events of Secret Wars I and II were not removed from canon, what changed was the Beyonder's relationship with the other cosmic entities. Conceptual Warping Tier C vs Particle Manipulating Tier B. Followers. Pre retcon beyonder solos his own verse is larger than the maverl omniverse. But it wont be easy by no means. When The Pre-Retcon Molecule Man(with the Infinite portion of The Beyonder's Powers)fought The Beyonder, they were stated to be "2 of the mightiest being in ALL. I don't think that PR Beyonder would actually notice him. Beyonder is an Infinitely Geometrically Dimensional Multiverse that is more powerful than a Geometrically Dimensional Multiverse. No prep and no knowledge. So the information given is contradictory as a Cosmic Cube can't do what the Beyonder did but he canonically does those things. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. Beyonder on the other hand, pre retcon at least, is a million times more powerful than the entire of Marvel combined. Belligerents: Composite Time Lords from Doctor Who and the Pre-retcon Beyonder from Marvel Comics. Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only appeared in a few issues of Fantastic Four as far as I know, it's hard to tell. . Beyonder Pré-Retcon foi uma das Entidades mais poderosas da #Marvel, ficando até mesmo acima do Tribunal Vivo, ele é bem conhecido por ter criado a Saga Guer. Reviews: 0. Thanks!!!!!In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Conditions of the battle: *Composite Time Lords will include variants of the Time Lords from the Expanded Doctor Who Universe (e. Whereas Spawn is equal to Spectre in terms of. MM is not as strong as Beyonder but he's above Living Tribunal, abstracts, IG and other such levels of cosmic power. No matter how you interpret the effects of the Retcon, Beyonder can no longer be stated to be above Authorial fiat. The Living Tribunal was able to stop the Infinity Gaunlet from working, while PR Molecule Man stated to be stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts, and the Living Tribunal . Reviews: 0. She/Her. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon Feats, Secret Wars and 1984 and pre-1984 Scaling only) Ivory Kings, First Firmament + Ultimate Ultimates. 3. Pre-retcon beyonder can't do anything to sun wukong. He was the TOAA of own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse before he came across the. 3. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only appeared in a few issues of Fantastic Four as far as I know, it's hard to tell. The Beyonder is a cosmic being of immense power, often labelled as omnipotent during the issues of Secret Wars, and much stronger than all the other cosmic entities. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. FIRST COSMOS. Both are in character. LT has no jurisdiction over Phoenix which is why he. ago. This is the biggest mismatch. Beyonder can destroy the concept of death to the point that above Infinite-D beings like Molecule Man couldn't kill a freaking flower and can restore it while being power depleted with just a. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. u/nullfather can attest to that. 7 K. Round 1: All-Mighty vs True Form Oblivion. Beyonder stomp beyond comprehension. User Lists: 20 Perpetua, due to far surperior feats. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder casually eliminated Death from the universe and could have wiped out the universe in a snap. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. It’s Lucifer vs PR Beyonder basically. Jul 2, 2016. Then the pre retcon beyonder attacks himself. Thanos wins them all unless its Thanos vs OAA. Yeah. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. which. Numidium 2. Pre-retcon molecule man is the most powerful version of recce. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. . let's wait and see his actual feats. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. And post retcon… well Peter Parker had his power for one billionth of a second a rewrote all of reality. Some stuff from DC like Lucifer Morningstar. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. Minor nitpick. In Lucifer DC Multiverse is not just infinite dimensional but also existing in multiple existence as seen in his conversation with Presence. No prep. Beyonder was at TOAA level pre-retcon. Forum Posts. Fight takes place in current DC universe. Pre-Retcon Beyonder/Classic Beyonder-As a result of being the entirety of a dimension of far more scope than our own multiverse, he was more powerful than all of the rest of reality (he was. The Scarlet King scales above Aleph 2 and 3 which Marvel doesn't reach that level. TOAA is God of Marvel while PR Beyonder is a much bigger god. (Like many of these fights) Universal Steve. " lord marvel is said to be omnipotent and he can get smacked up. But technically TR isn't a part of DC comics , the author has made it like DC comics ends at limbo and TR lives in the meta state , everything appearing. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created an earthquake throughout the city), Attack Reflection (Deflected Magneto's power beam towards the X-Men), Magnetism Manipulation (Repelled Magneto by duplicating his own magnetic. Phoenix attacks Beyonder with all her power, Beyonder don't even flinch. thtadthtshldntb Anti nBSG Troll. Both strike an ambiguous pose when it comes to creating a universe. Beyonder stomp beyond comprehension. The Beyonder is a fictional cosmic entity appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. deactivated-5ffd6af867550.